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Tuesday, March 29, 2005

Immigration

Immigration is becoming a big issue. Michelle Malkin has started The Immigration Blog, which is focused on this issue. I addition the Minuteman Project is drawing a lot of attention to the issue as well. So I thought it would be interesting to state my thoughts on immigration. First off, I do believe it is important to enforce our laws. I hate any laws that are rarely enforced or enforced on at 'prosecutors digression'. I think that any system built on such a foundation is a recipe for abuse. So we should either enforce our laws or change them to something we are willing to enforce. That is a blanket belief I have and it applies especially well for immigration. One fact that is important to remember is that a lot of people who are agitating for increased immigration control are, to put it bluntly, racists. This certainly doesn't mean that everyone in that camp is, but many are and that is a key thing to remember. Much like anti-war protesters are publicly tied to the fringe communists that make up the heart of that movement, immigration reformers are tied to racist groups and individuals. This means anyone who is for immigration reform for other reasons needs to make an extra effort to disavow the fringe elements. Personally I don't think that immigration is a bad thing. I view it as a huge tool for economic growth and a great way to attract the talent of the world to our nation. I think that the number of legal immigrants we allow should be drastically revised upwards and the process should be simpler. While I deplore the fact that we have around 10 million illegal immigrants in this country now, I strongly believe that the only way to justly deal with that situation at this point is to grant those people amnesty. We simply are not going to deport them, and keeping them in a limbo status only feeds the disreputable elements of our society that prey on these people. In conjunction with granting those people amnesty and increasing the legal immigration quota, we should increase our border security, develop a policy of deporting any new illegals, develop a process of cooperation on this between federal, state and local entities, and most importantly crack down hard on those who employ illegal aliens. This last will probably involve raising penalties and increasing the documentation requirements for employment. Implementation of a Federal ID card (yes, I can hear you Libertarians scream) may be necessary and something I think would actually be a positive for citizens as well. There are a few issues that I think get dragged into the immigration debate that really have no business being there. A big one is the idea that the number of illegal aliens represents a security threat with the idea that if illegal Mexican immigrants can get in, so can Al-Qaida agents. This is probably only thinly true. The routes a decently funded terrorist will take to enter our country are probably not the same as a poor Mexican will. While many legal immigrants of course get through, quite a few a caught and sent back (granted, to try the next day) and thus these methods which function on principle that if you try enough times you will succeed are unlikely to be attractive to terrorists. More likely a terrorist who was trying to sneak in (if they would even bother with that, the 9/11 terrorists entered legally) would choose a different method. The illegal narcotics smuggling routes would be far more attractive for example.

9 Comments:

Blogger Cubicle said...

I have a hard time accepting lack luster unemployment in america when their are 10 million illeagal immgraints.

I also have a hard time accecpting that america is allowing poor goverments to exist below the boarder. Anyone dissastifed can just come to america, and the poor goverment does not have to get any better.

I think we should seal the boarder (well), increase penalites for illeagal works, then get ride of about 2 million of them (that will help unemployment a little), then start letting them back in.

As to a national security card, we have the SSN, i do not see a problem with that system.

3/29/2005 08:12:00 PM  
Blogger tsykoduk said...

The SSN is a joke. It is not good ID. SSN cards are not photo ID, and they can be obtained/forged very easily.

How do you pick the 2 million to send home? Why let them back?

I agree that the border needs to be controlled. People should not be allowed to cross illegaly. If they do, they should be treated like the criminals that they are - after all sneaking into this country is a crime after all.

The cost to implement a tight border is going to be high - in political and fiscal capitial.

Anyways perhaps more on this tomorrow. :)

3/29/2005 10:12:00 PM  
Blogger Dave Justus said...

Actually unemployment is relatively low in historical terms, a bit down from the highs of 2000, but still very good.

A more signifigant problem is underemployment where people are unable to get jobs at a previous pay rate. For the most part, immigrants aren't competing for high-paying jobs and increased economic activity would probably help, rather than hurt this situation.

I think an amnesty and increase immigration quotas as a tradeoff for better border enforcement and stricter rules for employers is politically workable. Increased tax revenue from those who are currently in this 'black market' employment would probably go along way toward paying for the program.

3/30/2005 08:05:00 AM  
Blogger tsykoduk said...

stricter rules for employers

There are very strict rules for employers right now. What we need is the political backing to actually enforce those rules.

3/30/2005 10:18:00 AM  
Blogger Dave Justus said...

True enough.

What I really meant was stricter enforcement of the rules and a better system for employers to verify that their workers were legal. Right now they have no way to check a SSN, so many of them knowingly accept fakes and then pretend that they didn't know. Provide them the ability to verify legal status and then hit them hard if they fail to do so. The is where a conversation on a National ID card fits in. There are other ways as well, but all have problems and benefits.

3/30/2005 10:37:00 AM  
Blogger tsykoduk said...

I disagree with a national ID card. Right now an employer needs to look at a number of ID's before they can hire.

If we made a federal guideline that stated "States must verify citizenship before granting a drivers license or photo ID" - that would take care of that.

We already have the laws in place to deal with all of this. We simply must start enforcing them.

3/30/2005 12:48:00 PM  
Blogger Cubicle said...

"Actually unemployment is relatively low in historical terms, a bit down from the highs of 2000, but still very good."

It is extremly good, but I do not belive that we are at full employment because of the large number of illeagal immgrants and because of welfare reform.

Have you noticed how the econmy is trying to break though the 5 percent mark but cannot seem to quite do it.

Full employment does wonders for the poorer people of america and is one of the biggests things you can do to help the poor, you just do not want to have to much compeition because it will increase costs and rasise prices.

3/30/2005 02:31:00 PM  
Blogger Cubicle said...

"How do you pick the 2 million to send home? "

Frist found, frist home.

The SSN card is a joke, but all you have to do is put a picture on it and you have got an id card.

I see no reason to create another card to augment the SSN (unless you want to do away with the SSN and update everythign).

3/30/2005 02:32:00 PM  
Blogger tsykoduk said...

"How do you pick the 2 million to send home? "

Frist found, frist home.


So, you are espousing a quota? We 'catch' the first 2 million lawbreakers and let the rest off?

How about tax evaders? Get 20% of them, and let the rest off? How about murderers? Should we only catch the first 10 murderers a month? Let the rest off? Where does it end?

For a law to be effective, it must be applied in all cases. Our society is built on laws. Sadly, there are some humans that feel that they can do what ever they like, and don't care about the consequence to others. We need fair and equitable laws that are enforced to protect society as a whole from those few.

If we want to have tightened border security, then we need to out fit the people at the borders with two things. First is a fair, enforceable law. Second is the ability to actually enforce said law.


The SSN card is a joke, but all you have to do is put a picture on it and you have got an id card.

There are really two problems with the SSN card. First is that the physical card it's self is easily duplicated. The second is that they are given out like candy. It was never meant to be an ID card, and the program it operates under is not set up for the large scale background checks that would be needed.

If there is to be a Federal ID card (bad idea in my mind - states are better equipped to handle this) - the SSN should not be the basis. I would use BCIS's (used to be Immigration) Green Card as the starting point.

3/30/2005 03:49:00 PM  

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